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Postby jieh2008 » Wed May 21, 2008 11:28 pm

i think the alternative is so devastating and taking the country to the unknown, at least they come up with a solution, i hope is not going to be temporary.
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Postby jieh2008 » Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 pm

i love reading all of you, abou jamra, prince cadmus II, adel and haroun. every word is full of energy and compassion, what a dedication to your belief in judgment, keep up the good opinions.
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sat May 24, 2008 7:36 am

Thanks to Blacksmiths of Lebanon we can see just how the division in Lebanon is going to take place.

National Electoral Divisions:
Akkar [District]
Tripoli [City] + Mina [Municipality] + Qalamoun [Town]
Minya Donieh [Caza]
Bsharreh [Caza]
Zogharta [Caza]
Koura [Caza]
Batroun [Caza]
Chouf [Caza]
Aley [Caza]
Baabda [Caza]
Metn [Caza]
Kesrouan [Caza]
Jbeil [Caza]
Saida [City]
Zahrani [villages surrounding Saida Zahrani]
Sur [Caza]
Jezzine [Caza]
Nabatieh [Caza]
Marjayoun and Hazbayya [Caza]
Bint Jbeil [Caza]
Western Beqaa and Rashayya [Caza]
Zahleh [Caza]
Baalbek [Caza] and Hermel [Caza]

Beirut Electoral Districts

Ashrafieh + Rmeil + Saifi
5 seats: 2 Christian Armenians; 1 Christian Maronite; 1 Christian Orthodox; 1 Christian Catholic

Bashoura + Mdawar + Marfa
4 seats: 1 Muslim Sunni; 1 Muslim Shiite; 2 Christian Armenian

Mazraa + Moseitbeh + Ras Beirut + Mina el Hosn + Zaqa el Blatt + Ein Mreisseh
10 seats: 5 Muslim Sunni; 1 Muslim Shiite; 1 Muslim Druze; 1 Christian Orthodox; 1 Christian Evangelical; 1 Christian Minorities

Sectarian Parliamentary Seat Allocations


Christian Maronites: 34 seats
Christian Greek Orthodox: 14 seats
Christian Greek Catholic: 8 seats
Armenian Orthodox: 5 seats
Armenian Catholic: 1 seat
Christian Protestant (Evangelical): 1 seat
Christian Minorities: 1 seat
Muslim Sunni: 27 seats
Muslim Shiite: 27 seats
Muslim Druze: 8 seats
Muslim Alawites: 2 seats

NEW BEIRUT
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OLD BEIRUT
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LEBANON NEW
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LEBANON OLD (2000 Electoral LAW, Each different colour shade is one complete electoral division)
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MAIN DIFFERENCE HERE: NORTH LEBANON is only 2 divisions, NORTH LEB 1 and North Leb 2.

South Leb is South Leb 1 and South Leb 2....

The new Doha agreement splits these mainly all up into smaller sections. The rest of Lebanon stays mostly the same with a few split ups including Beirut.
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Postby Adel » Sat May 24, 2008 7:47 am

i saw that PC2, if you can get your hands on the deputies in each seat can you please post it. ive looked around cant find it
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sat May 24, 2008 8:26 am

Adel go to http://www.lebanonembassyus.org/country_lebanon/parlam.html

Lebanon Parliament

2005-2009 Legislature


Mount Lebanon
Aley - Baabda - Chouf - Jbeil - Kesrwan - North Metn

North Lebanon Akkar - Batroun - Bsharreh - Dennieh - Koura - Minieh - Tripoli - Zghorta

Beirut
Beirut 1 - Beirut 2 - Beirut 3

Bekaa
Baalbeck-Hermel - West Bekaa - Rashaya - Zahleh

South Lebanon and Nabatieh
Bint Jbeil - Jezzine - Marjeyoun-Hasbaya - Nabatieh - Saida - Tyre - Zahrani


Mount Lebanon

Aley

· Akram Chehayeb (Druze)
- Fouad Saad (Maronite)
· Faisal Sayegh (Druze)
· Antoine Andraos (Greek Orthodox)
· Pierre Helou (Maronite)

Baabda

· Edmond Naiim (Maronite)
· Antoine Ghanem (Maronite)
· Bassem Sabeh (Shiite)
· Abdallah Farhat (Maronite)
· Ayman Choucair (Druze)
· Ali Ammar (Shiite)

Chouf

· Marwan Hamadeh (Druze)
· Walid Jumblatt (Druze)
· Mohammad Hajjar (Sunni)
· Nabil Boustani (Maronite)
· Nehmeh Tohmeh (Catholic)
· George Adwan (Maronite)
· Elie Aoun (Maronite)
· Alaeddine Terro (Sunni)

Jbeil

· Walid Al Khouri (Maronite)
· Abbas Hashem (Shiite)
· Shamel Mozaya (Maronite)

Kesrwan

· Farid Elias al-Khazen (Maronite)
· Michel Aoun (Maronite)
· Youssef Khalil (Maronite)
· Neematallah Abi Nasr (Maronite)
· Mrs. Gilbert Zoein (Maronite)

North Metn

· Michel Murr (Greek Orthodox)
· Ibrahim Kenaan (Maronite)
· Pierre Amine Gemayel (Maronite)
· Ghassan Moukheiber (Greek Orthodox)
· Salim Salhab (Maronite)
· Edgar Maalouf (Catholic)
· Hago Pakradnian (Armenian Orthodox)
· Nabil Nicholas (Maronite)



North Lebanon

Akkar

· Riad Rahhal (Greek Orthodox)
· Mustafa Hashem (Sunni)
· Azzam Dandashi (Sunni)
· Hadi Hobeish (Maronite)
· Mahmoud Morad (Sunni)
· Abdallah Hanna (Greek Orthodox)
· Mustafa Ali-Hussein (Alawite)

Batroun

· Boutros Harb (Maronite)
· Antoine Zahara (Maronite)

Bsharreh

· Mrs. Sitrida Geagea (Maronite)
· Elie Kairouz (Maronite)

Dennieh

· Ahmad Fatfat (Sunni)
· Qassem Abdul Aziz (Sunni)

Koura

· Nicolas Ghosn (Greek Orthodox)
· Farid Makari (Greek Orthodox)
· Farid Habib (Greek Orthodox)

Minieh

· Hashem Alameddine (Sunni)

Tripoli

· Mohamad Safadi(Sunni)
· Maurice Fadel (Greek Orthodox)
· Samir Al-Jisr (Sunni)
· Elias Atallah (Maronite)
· Mohammad Kabbara (Sunni)
· Mustapha Alloush (Sunni)
· Mosbah Ahdab (Sunni)
· Badr Wannous (Alawite)

Zghorta

· Samir Frangieh (Maronite)
· Mrs. Nayla Moawad (Maronite)
· Jawad Boulos (Maronite)



Beirut

Beirut 1 (Achrafieh, Mazraa, Saifi)

· Saadeddine Hariri (Sunni)
· Ammar Houri (Sunni)
· Mrs. Solange Gemayel (Maronite)
· Michel Pharaon (Catholic)
· Gebran Tueni (Greek Orthodox)
· Bassem Al-Shabb (Evangelical)

Beirut 2 (Msaitbeh, Bashoura, Rmeil)

· Bahije Tabbara (Sunni)
· Walid Eido (Sunni)
· Amin Sherri (Shiite)
· Atef Majdalani (Greek Orthodox)
· Yeghia Djerdjian (Armenian Orthodox)
· Nabil De Freij (Minorities- Christian Latin)

Beirut 3 (Ain Mreisi, Ras Beirut, Zukak Blat, Medawar, Marfa’, Mina al-Hosn)

· Ghinwa Jalloul (Sunni)
· Mohammad Qabbani (Sunni)
· Ghazi Yussef (Shiite)
· Ghazi Aridi (Druze)
· Serge Torsarkissian (Armenian Catholic)
· Jean Hoghassabian (Armenian Orthodox)
· Hagop Kassarjian (Armenian Orthodox)



Bekaa

Baalbeck-Hermel

· Hussein Al-Hajj Hassan (Shiite)
· Hussein Al-Husseini (Shiite)
· Jamal Taqsh (Shiite)
· Ali Moqdad (Shiite)
· Ismail Sukkariya (Sunni)
· Marwan Fares (Catholic)
· Marwan Al-Sahili (Shiite)
· Nader Succar (Maronite)
· Ghazi Zeayter (Shiite)
· Khaled Rifai (Sunni)

West Bekaa - Rashaya

· Nasser Nasrallah (Shiite)
· Ahmad Fattouh (Sunni)
· Wael Abou Faour (Druze)
· Antoine Saad (Greek Orthodox)
· Jamal Jarrah (Sunni)
· Robert Ghanem (Maronite)

Zahleh

· Assem Arraji (Sunni)
· Hassan Yaacoub (Shiite)
· Camille Maalouf (Greek Orthodox)
· Nicolas Fattoush (Catholic)
· Salim Aoun (Maronite)
· George Kassargi (Armenian Orthodox)
· Elias Skaff (Catholic)



South Lebanon and Nabatieh

Bint Jbeil

· Ali Bazzi (Shiite)
· Hassan Fadlalah (Shiite)
· Ayoub Hmayed (Shiite)


Jezzine


· Samir Azar (Maronite)
· Pierre Serhal (Maronites)
· Antoine Khouri (Catholic)

Marjeyoun-Hasbaya

· Anwar Al-Khalil (Druze)
· Assaad Hardan (Greek Orthodox)
· Ali Hassan Khalil (Shiite)
· Mohammad Haidar (Shiite)
· Qassem Hashem (Sunni)

Nabatieh

· Yassin Jaber (Shiite)
· Mohammad Raad (Shiite)
· Abdellatif Al-Zein (Shiite)

Saida
· Mrs. Bahia Al-Hariri (Sunni)
· Osama Saad (Sunni)

Tyre
· Mohammad Fneish (Shiite)
· Hassan Huballah (Shiite)
· Abdulmajid Saleh (Shiite)
· Ali Khreiss (Shiite)

Zahrani
· Nabih Berri (Shiite)
· Michel Moussa (Catholic)
· Ali Osseiran (Shiite)
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Postby Adel » Sat May 24, 2008 8:52 am

sorry i meant the distribution in the next election
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sat May 24, 2008 9:11 am

Most of the Christian divisions in Mount Lebanon were already under the Casa Law. I think the most changes would be seen in South Lebanon where it was only divided into 2 electoral divisions. So Christians in the Caza of Jezzine and also Marjayoun were being voted by the whole population in that electoral division, ie mainly Shiite Muslims.

So now, I think the leaders in Mount Lebanon would not see much of a change from the last elections, it would be mostly a change in South Lebanon's new divisions of Caza only electoral districts so each population in that Caza will be able to vote for their own leaders rather than having the region of South Lebanon District 1 or District 2 voting them in.

Beirut as well will see a minor change, however I don't see at the moment how it will affect much of the current status quo.

I see this as mainly increasing the power of Shiite voters by dividing up South Lebanon and Nabatiye into Cazas rather than groups of Cazas, and in doing so being able to allow the Christian Cazas of Jezzine and Marjeyoun to be independent voting blocs. This may also bring to light specific areas where Hezbollah may not be totally in power where it would normally have been under a combined sub-Mohafaza district.
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sat May 24, 2008 9:19 am

Adel wrote:sorry i meant the distribution in the next election


It is hard to note that. As I said, most of the Mount Lebanon electoral districts won't change. The Chouf for example is 1 electoral district already from before, so it will remain the same. It is just electoral districts before that were combinations of Cazas that will be split up, as I explained about the South Lebanon previous divisions now going into Caza only ones.

The reason you cannot tell now is because the people who vote, under the old system, for the people in your Caza, it is the whole grouping of people who vote them in who belong in that whole electoral region.

Example: Imagine the Cazas of Ashfield, Burwood, Bankstown, Punchbowl and Lidcombe all being under 1 Electoral district.....DISTRICT A.

Under the old election law, the election results would mean that alllll of the people in District A vote for whoever they like, and these votes determine who is going to be representatives of those Cazas in those districts. So if the majority of people in total in this whole district of Cazas are Chinese Communists, then even if your Caza is Majority Christian Nationalists, the results will mean that your Caza will be represented by the people that the majority of Chinese Communists voted for..

So the Cazas of Marjayoun and Jezzine had representatives for them not what the Christians of these areas wanted, but the representatives that the relevant electoral divisions of South Leb District 1 and District 2 assigned for them (the people who suckered up to the major ruling parties in those areas rather than being truly representative of the people living in the particular Cazas)...
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sat May 24, 2008 11:08 am

This is my version of the OLD ELECTORAL LAW, 2000 Region Map of Lebanon.

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All the Cazas that have the same colour shade get split up into separate constituencies under
the Doha agreement, except for
Marjayoun-Hazbaya; Baalbeck-Hermel
and West Bekaa-Rashaya which stay
as dual Caza combined electoral divisions.
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Postby Adel » Sat May 24, 2008 1:07 pm

lol.... ok

for example we know the distribution in Beirut for the upcoming election.

Bashoura: 4 seats
Ashrafiyeh: 6 seats
Mousaytbeh: 9 seats

also with the religious distribution of seats.

does that make more sense :)
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Postby jieh2008 » Sat May 24, 2008 9:30 pm

"in divivding beirut to three electoral districts :
beirut 1, comprising of ashrafieh, rmeil and saifi= 5 seats: 1 orthodox, 1 armenian orthodox, 1 armenian catholic, 1 greek catholic, 1 maronite.

brierut 2, comprising of bachoura, medawar and the port =4 seats: 2 armenian orthodox, 1 sunni, 1 shia.

beirut 3, comprising of minet al-hosn, ain al-mreisseh, al-mazraa, mousseitbeh, ras beirut, zoqaq al-blat= 10 seats: 1 orthodox, 1 evangelical, 1 maronite(christian), 1 druze, 1 shia and 5 sunni.

but the real reforms are still up for grabs, and so far as i see it there will be a lot of interest in the armenian community in the future". this is from the spotlight.
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Sun May 25, 2008 12:52 am

That's right Jieh2008, I didn't focus much on the Beirut rearrangement.. but IN Beirut 1 and Beirut 2, the Armenians come out on top with most representatives. However it is pretty much where their population is located anyway, so with respect to Beirut, this is technically where the Armenian voice is heard.
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Postby Adel » Sun May 25, 2008 1:08 am

jieh... thanks. that info is easily accessable. what about for the rest of the seats. has that been released?



but the real reforms are still up for grabs, and so far as i see it there will be a lot of interest in the armenian community in the future". this is from the spotlight.


what do u mean?
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Postby Adel » Sun May 25, 2008 1:20 pm

dont worry i worked it out
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Postby jieh2008 » Sun May 25, 2008 8:21 pm

according to assafir newspaper calculations if the 2005 elections were based on the new electoral landscape, the march 14 will have 61 seats and the march 8 will have 65
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