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Postby haroun » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:50 pm

This is not exactly the topic I wanted to start with after a short break on the forum, but I felt compelled to express my thoughts about this michel aoun.. . He’s burned his country and aligned himself with the worst of the worst in the world. He’s attacked every lebanese leader who’s not affiliated with his syro-irani axis. he's insulted every lebanese who's not supporting him. He sabotaged the formation of the new government with nonsense demands and played right into the hands of the terrorists who are hijacking the country inch by inch, day by day. While the country is drowning in all kind of crisis now he’s reaching to the past to invent new ones.

I wonder who made this retard a judge to throw allegations on other leaders? and who made him a representative and spokesman of the Christians of the mountain to keep bringing up their plight.

شمعون: حرام أن يعير احد عون أهمية لأن دواءه ليس عندنا بل في العصفورية
الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby danyhr » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:56 am

Don't worry haroun, perhaps our newly beatified priest Father Yaacoub Hadadd will intercede and cure him of his brain ailments like he cured a lady a few years back. Hey, miracles happen!
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:11 pm

Reminds me of Friedrich Nietzsche and Michel Foucault for some reason.
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:12 pm

Miracles happen only to those who truly believe.
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Postby haroun » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:09 pm

Aoun's brain ailement is way beyond repair especially after he had turned himself into a subject of the irani Ali Khameni. Miracles have no effect on this type of creatures.

That may be the reason why Frs. Yaacoub, Hardini, Charbel and sis Rafka won't even get near him.

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Re: I am disgusted - how about you?

Postby jieh2008 » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:07 pm

haroun wrote:This is not exactly the topic I wanted to start with after a short break on the forum, but I felt compelled to express my thoughts about this michel aoun.. . He’s burned his country and aligned himself with the worst of the worst in the world. He’s attacked every lebanese leader who’s not affiliated with his syro-irani axis. he's insulted every lebanese who's not supporting him. He sabotaged the formation of the new government with nonsense demands and played right into the hands of the terrorists who are hijacking the country inch by inch, day by day. While the country is drowning in all kind of crisis now he’s reaching to the past to invent new ones.

I wonder who made this retard a judge to throw allegations on other leaders? and who made him a representative and spokesman of the Christians of the mountain to keep bringing up their plight.


Haroun, I hope you are in a better mood when you read this. First let me start by saying that, I don't have any favorite conductors. It is not Samir, walid, Hariri, aoun, nasrallah, berri, ala'a. I don't blindly support a political figure nor I consider them superstars or immune to accountability. If you are following the news closely without being biased, and looking with both eyes, you will have a better assessment of the whole situation. Look closely at our leaders and see which one of them is doing something for us in jieh, and with it take into consideration the past and the present and be honest with your answers. If anyone wants our support, it should be based on one thing only, and that is the rebuilding of jieh. Now, let us go back to your friend aoun (be thankful I did not say obama), wait a minute, calm down, don't dwell too much on it. It is a passing cloud. Ok let me be more serious about this, the way I see things which I don't like at all, fighting here and there, every party is baying arms and getting ready for a confrontations. I have never heard, seen, or read anything about aoun that leads me to believe that he is looking or considering an arms conflicts now. Although, I have seen others making these statements and these people are taking this country to hell. Aoun and his blocs were elected by getting the Christians majority constituents voters , and I think you should give him the benefit of the doubt, and the credit to speak freely about the need of his constituents. Aoun is not like our Christians nouwabs which are the followers.... yes followers... of walid or ala'a terro in the chouf. They are counted as Christians but in reality they are a number in walid blocs and the proof is the results of their works for jieh, which are nothing. If we have free Christian’s representations in parliament (representing the chouf that is) we will be in better shape. Finally, let me say go Mc Cain, yes go Mc Cain, Do I see a smile. Good. or (may be not)
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Postby Adel » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:56 am

haroun, i dont get it.

what exactly has he done that has upset you so much?

is he not within his right to demand anything he wants? he doesnt actually have the power to do anything.... right?

The PM assigns he ministers and noone can object. FM is soley responsible if that is teh case.
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Postby haroun » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:29 pm

Thanks for the cheer friend. And yes, there was a smile and a big one. :D

There nothing more important for Lebanon today than to have a functional modern government and able to tame the terrorists. Any other path spells disaster.

Since ‘75 the country and Jieh have been in hell. The country is literally broke and people with guns and missiles roam freely and in many areas they are in charge.

I agree that Jieh hasn’t got its fair share of assistance, but who were advocates? And who stood in line to get it? Definitely it wasn’t Aoun or the Aouniehs of latter day. I don’t understand what this creature Aoun based his claims on. Never in his life has said anything positive or constructive. While in charge he went after the forces of good and helped evil and chaos take full control of the Christian areas, In a broke and broken country where inefficiencies are at 95% I am surprised Jieh got what it did without someone camping at the ministry and fighting for it.

You bring up name of leaders and representative. Look, I have no respect whatsoever for Aoun, Berri, and fatass who have done nothing but blocking and sabotaging every step the majority takes to govern. Fatass agenda is to control Lebnen and make it a sub state of Iran. Berri’s agenda beside bringing the Syrians back, is to assist his fellow Shiites in controlling the other sects and prevent them from using the democratic process to resolve their issues, be it electing a president or forming a government. Aoun hops to whoever talks “kindly” to him or promises him royalty even if they are arch enemies of the state.

Let’s see who has done something for Jieh?
Walid was generous with personal donations to the church and participated in most activities in town. So were reps Hmade, Terro and others. Christian reps also donated. :twisted: I can hear you say that I missed the point, since you are talking about the millions in the ministry of the displaced that lost their way to Jieh. Ok! with the status of parliament and what we have seen and learned about Berri, do you think any MP is going to antagonize this slime ball and preoccupy himself with the needs of Jieh or other towns in the mountain? In Berri eyes that was his jackpot. He channeled most of the money to the shi3a of the south and bought them homes in Beirut so they become a majority and take on Hariri as we see happening today. If we had strong leadership in Jieh much more could have been done.

You say Aoun is a passing cloud, I say It’s a smoke cloud that carries no rain and is blocking our sunlight. It lingered too long and became a menace. Aoun is not an angel praying while others are arming themselves. Remember, he’s a bedfellow of the strongest terror organization in the world. If he’s not spending his own doe on weapons it doesn’t mean his basements aren’t full of it.

Aoun’s success in the Christian areas was a result of Syrian manipulation and timing. La7oos and company had the necessary alliances and done the proper groundwork for him. All he had to do is show up and win. They lied to people and told them that a prophet is coming and will save them from the monster Jumblat. The plan worked. What’s "funny" is that he won in areas he devastated in recent past.

I disagree with your claim that the Christian representatives of Chouf are merely numbers on a list. Edwan places LF interests ahead of others. Boustani and to3meh aren’t your everyday defenders of socialist causes and overall they are helping the Christians cause and interests much more than the king of Rabieh.

And YESSS Go McCain! :D :D

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الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby jieh2008 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:44 pm

haroun wrote:Thanks for the cheer friend. And yes, there was a smile and a big one. :D

There nothing more important for Lebanon today than to have a functional modern government and able to tame the terrorists. Any other path spells disaster.

Since ‘75 the country and Jieh have been in hell. The country is literally broke and people with guns and missiles roam freely and in many areas they are in charge.

I agree that Jieh hasn’t got its fair share of assistance, but who were advocates? And who stood in line to get it? Definitely it wasn’t Aoun or the Aouniehs of latter day. I don’t understand what this creature Aoun based his claims on. Never in his life has said anything positive or constructive. While in charge he went after the forces of good and helped evil and chaos take full control of the Christian areas, In a broke and broken country where inefficiencies are at 95% I am surprised Jieh got what it did without someone camping at the ministry and fighting for it.

You bring up name of leaders and representative. Look, I have no respect whatsoever for Aoun, Berri, and fatass who have done nothing but blocking and sabotaging every step the majority takes to govern. Fatass agenda is to control Lebnen and make it a sub state of Iran. Berri’s agenda beside bringing the Syrians back, is to assist his fellow Shiites in controlling the other sects and prevent them from using the democratic process to resolve their issues, be it electing a president or forming a government. Aoun hops to whoever talks “kindly” to him or promises him royalty even if they are arch enemies of the state.

Let’s see who has done something for Jieh?
Walid was generous with personal donations to the church and participated in most activities in town. So were reps Hmade, Terro and others. Christian reps also donated. :twisted: I can hear you say that I missed the point, since you are talking about the millions in the ministry of the displaced that lost their way to Jieh. Ok! with the status of parliament and what we have seen and learned about Berri, do you think any MP is going to antagonize this slime ball and preoccupy himself with the needs of Jieh or other towns in the mountain? In Berri eyes that was his jackpot. He channeled most of the money to the shi3a of the south and bought them homes in Beirut so they become a majority and take on Hariri as we see happening today. If we had strong leadership in Jieh much more could have been done.

You say Aoun is a passing cloud, I say It’s a smoke cloud that carries no rain and is blocking our sunlight. It lingered too long and became a menace. Aoun is not an angel praying while others are arming themselves. Remember, he’s a bedfellow of the strongest terror organization in the world. If he’s not spending his own doe on weapons it doesn’t mean his basements aren’t full of it.

Aoun’s success in the Christian areas was a result of Syrian manipulation and timing. La7oos and company had the necessary alliances and done the proper groundwork for him. All he had to do is show up and win. They lied to people and told them that a prophet is coming and will save them from the monster Jumblat. The plan worked. What’s "funny" is that he won in areas he devastated in recent past.

I disagree with your claim that the Christian representatives of Chouf are merely numbers on a list. Edwan places LF interests ahead of others. Boustani and to3meh aren’t your everyday defenders of socialist causes and overall they are helping the Christians cause and interests much more than the king of Rabieh.

And YESSS Go McCain! :D :D

Well, that fine with me, I do not have any problem with them giving money to rebuild the church, or to build anything else, if they earn that money themselves that is. The donation came from our money from our lands, from our sea shores, from selling our sands, form building gas storages facilities in our town. From using beaches that don't belong to them, many people paid them thousands of dollars (khlou) to leave the beaches. Do not think for a moment that they did us a favor by giving 10000 dollars from our money to rebuild the church. That amount is less than what they earn in half day by using one beach. As if, it was a big deal. In addition, yes, our nouwabs are a number in walid blocs. For one reason only, and that is the money they paid to be on the list. You, I and everyone else know that. As for Aoun (21 seats) and his allies or the LF (4 seats) and their allies. I have only two comments : we did not have Aoun, his allies in our town when it was burned, destroyed, and our love ones killed or dismembered. Remember LF allies now did that to us. Our neighbors in nabi younes (HA now) (we should build statues in their honors) save a lot of Christians lives, you and I know that, and if you do not know this by now, you have to check it out. I know and you know Aoun specifically does not have any interest in stirring the security situation by building arms for war. Leave the arms trafficking to Beirut, the mountains, the bekaa, tripoli, the south and akkar. What Aoun wants is a respectable representation (5 seats) in government for his bloc because he earns it by being elected (you said by the Syrians and LaHood. Are you kidding me)? He was elected by the Christians voters’, period .yes period. Which remind me of that moment: when Siniora looking at a tree in Aoun’s garden in Rabieh and said:” your agriculture methods are too old fashioned. I won’t be surprised if this tree will give you less than 5kg of apples…..” “I won’t be surprised either,” said Aoun, “this is an orange tree”. …. Please haroun recalibrate your mind set, and yes go Mc Cain.
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Postby haroun » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:15 pm

About the Khlou it was cruel to request it and wrong to pay it. People subject to these extortions took matters in their own hands and set a precedent for others to follow at a time they could have used some guidance, legal advice, and government/political support to get their land back rather than pile six figures + in the hands of thugs.

Our martyrs and those who fought on their side were heroes. These friends, cousins and brothers were smart enough to determine what’s worth defending and brave enough to put their lives on the line. When war came to them, they faced and fought with all they got despite the great odds against them. It didn’t occur to them to run and hide in the French embassy. It was the right thing to do, the noble thing to do and the brave thing to do. I salute them.

To blame them for what happen to the town in the aftermath is ludicrous and absurd. Our braves had their backs to the wall and died defending their homes, families, dignities and heritage. It was not their fault the enemy was overwhelming and won that war.

If you feel you owe something to the local HA guys and feel the urge to glorify and praise them the rest of your life that’s your privilege. I won’t be part of it. Fact is, many of their thugs participated in beating our families and ravishing our neighborhoods. Their allies terrorized our people, burned and demolished our homes and killed many in the process.

All this happened while the smoke cloud of Rabieh was kissing arses and adding stars onto his tiny shoulder instead of responsibilities and boasting about his dream rather than his accomplishments.

No I am not kidding you, Aoun doesn’t represent the Christian voters; those who casted a vote for him or his allies were lured by manipulation, false propaganda and scare tactics. in fact today, many regret ever voting for him. The patriarch is against him and most of the traditional patriotic Christian leaders. If he has 21 seats the other Christians + LF have over 40 seats.

I think you need to recalibrate your knowledge of history and learn the meanings of freedom, sacrifice and bravery.

Big salute to my fallen friends!

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Postby Abou Jamra » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:50 pm

Jieh2008 your opinion is shared by many, for years now we have been trying to show Haroun some light but buddy....

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Postby Adel » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:00 pm

No I am not kidding you, Aoun doesn’t represent the Christian voters; those who casted a vote for him or his allies were lured by manipulation, false propaganda and scare tactics. in fact today, many regret ever voting for him. The patriarch is against him and most of the traditional patriotic Christian leaders. If he has 21 seats the other Christians + LF have over 40 seats.



over 40 seats... wow!!! arent we lucky the christians are so well represtented.

you are argueing that seats elected by a non-christian majoirty are equal in christian representation to seats elected by christian majorities. is this right? have i read you clearly?

i love the propaganda.
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Postby jieh2008 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:56 am

haroun wrote:About the Khlou it was cruel to request it and wrong to pay it. People subject to these extortions took matters in their own hands and set a precedent for others to follow at a time they could have used some guidance, legal advice, and government/political support to get their land back rather than pile six figures + in the hands of thugs.

Our martyrs and those who fought on their side were heroes. These friends, cousins and brothers were smart enough to determine what’s worth defending and brave enough to put their lives on the line. When war came to them, they faced and fought with all they got despite the great odds against them. It didn’t occur to them to run and hide in the French embassy. It was the right thing to do, the noble thing to do and the brave thing to do. I salute them.

To blame them for what happen to the town in the aftermath is ludicrous and absurd. Our braves had their backs to the wall and died defending their homes, families, dignities and heritage. It was not their fault the enemy was overwhelming and won that war.

If you feel you owe something to the local HA guys and feel the urge to glorify and praise them the rest of your life that’s your privilege. I won’t be part of it. Fact is, many of their thugs participated in beating our families and ravishing our neighborhoods. Their allies terrorized our people, burned and demolished our homes and killed many in the process.

All this happened while the smoke cloud of Rabieh was kissing arses and adding stars onto his tiny shoulder instead of responsibilities and boasting about his dream rather than his accomplishments.

No I am not kidding you, Aoun doesn’t represent the Christian voters; those who casted a vote for him or his allies were lured by manipulation, false propaganda and scare tactics. in fact today, many regret ever voting for him. The patriarch is against him and most of the traditional patriotic Christian leaders. If he has 21 seats the other Christians + LF have over 40 seats.

I think you need to recalibrate your knowledge of history and learn the meanings of freedom, sacrifice and bravery.

Big salute to my fallen friends!

Haroun, haroun; you are missing my point my friend and you did not comprehend what I wrote, where did I direct the blame to our martyrs or to the LF, let me make it more clearer, your friends (allies now) did that to us. I will repeat it again your allies now did that to us. It is not Aoun or HA or the LF. You are smart, but sometime you like to make up your own versions as you go. Stick to the truth. What am I suppose to do if Aoun went to the French embassy, British embassy , Russian embassy , or the moon’s embassy (I thought you might like the moon’s embassy) believe me I don’t care. Why do you have to bring it up anyway?. My concern only is my home town, your allies, Palestinians, and some allies of your allies from nabi younes did what they did to jieh. My friend; you have to give credit to the peacemakers and disgrace to the thugs. I know where they live and I know their names. The nabi younes did not do what they did without the help of your good neighbors east of us (your allies now). The nabi younes (thugs) did not go to the electrical power station to hunt for the army and us, nor did they close the roads leading to south Lebanon. You are saying not to pay (khlou) and seek guidance, legal advice, and political support. Haroun, are you from this planet? Guidance, legal advice, from whom, and who is going to pay for it, and who is going to take your allies to court (7amia, 7ramia)(if you are a lawyer, do you have the courage to represent them) may be you can ask your (nayeb) , it is never too late. Are you telling me and the readers that the voters cast their votes because of fear, manipulation and scare tactics? And aoun has 21 seats because of that…( I ‘am moving my head in disbelieve ). Anyway I have to apologize to you because I wrote LF have 4 seats actually they are 6, silly me I did not remember Sethrida, and the late Naim. Sorry. And finally no matter what I do, from calibrating my knowledge or learn more about freedom or sacrifice, it is going to be nothing or merely a drop in jieh’s sea compare to what our martyrs gave to my beloved jieh. To me they are not only fathers, mothers, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, and martyrs, they are Saints. Yes Saints killed by (your allies now) because they were Christians….. You want me to have lessons in history and freedom , I agree with you is not too late to learn and (LEARN) as much as I can, read and write for the history. On the other hand how do you teach freedom and history, events, facts, and truth to an eye witnesses. And yes go MC cain, and don’t mess with Texas. I love you anyway.
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Postby haroun » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:49 am

Many friends continue to imply that the destruction of Jieh was a result of the LF decision to make a stand and defended it. They believe that Jieh would have been spared if people never resisted and walked away. I am glad you’re not one of them.

I hear you say you want to give credit to the peace makers, well, I did and that’s why I have the allies you see today. What would you do if the enemies of yesterday came to you and asked for forgiveness and peace? More than that, they even adopted Bashir’s mottoes for sovereignty independence and freedom. Today, you hear them preach the importance of peace and tolerance. The choice is clear. Unlike general el laymoun who sold his soul to the devil in the hope to become a president one day. 3a seeret al laymon, maybe Saniora was pulling a joke on the general at the Rabieh palace when he mixed up the orange tree for an apple tree :).

Those you’re calling peace makers, have brought the country to stand still,, they defied the government and transformed many peaceful villages into terror bases.

You ask “what am I suppose to do if Aoun runs to the French embassy?...” Well, call a spade a spade, army generals especially those in charge don’t run away.

I understand you’ve seen a lot and was in the midst of it all, but being an eye witness is not history. If you ask 5 people from Jieh to tell their versions of what happened in town from 1975 to 1996 you’ll hear 5 different, sometime contradicting stories. And we know in Lebanon it’s especially hard to get the facts since they rewrite history every couple years. I suggest we open a separate topic to recount individual stories and experiences in those years.

Take care of that lone star down there and stay cool – McCain all the way.

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Postby haroun » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:33 pm

Adel wrote:
No I am not kidding you, Aoun doesn’t represent the Christian voters; those who casted a vote for him or his allies were lured by manipulation, false propaganda and scare tactics. in fact today, many regret ever voting for him. The patriarch is against him and most of the traditional patriotic Christian leaders. If he has 21 seats the other Christians + LF have over 40 seats.



over 40 seats... wow!!! arent we lucky the christians are so well represtented.

you are argueing that seats elected by a non-christian majoirty are equal in christian representation to seats elected by christian majorities. is this right? have i read you clearly?

i love the propaganda.


Adel,

They're still our representatives. Can you tell if Nemtallah abi Nasr is better than Nabil Boustani? or nabil Nikola better than Elias Atallah or Michel Aoun better than Solange Gemayel? they all are represent Maronite constituency (Aoun is the exception, because of his mental issues, he believes he's a god). Don't be fooled by propaganda, just because someone represents the Metn or kesserwan doesn't make any better than another who represents Chouf or Beirut.

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