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Postby jieh2008 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:23 am

A U.S. counterterrorism official said American forces killed the head of a Syrian network that funneled fighters, weapons and cash into Iraq.
The raid Sunday targeted the home of Abu Ghadiyah, the nickname for the leader of a key cell of foreign fighters in Iraq. A villager said U.S. forces grabbed two men and took them away by helicopter during the cross-border raid. A U.S. military official in Washington confirmed ……. “(What we might hear (according to Abou Jamra ) is an American apology blaming navigation equipment or the pilot for crossing into Syrian air space to attack al Qaeda)’.
Yes …..Confirmed that Special Forces had conducted a raid in Syria that targeted the network of al-Qaeda-linked foreign fighters moving through Syria into Iraq. Abou Jamra this is not Lebanon putting the blame on the Italian or smoewhere else.
The attack is another sign that the United States is aggressively launching military raids across the borders of Afghanistan and Iraq to destroy insurgent sanctuaries. In Pakistan, U.S. missile strikes have killed suspected groups plotting attacks on Western troops in Afghanistan and terror strikes in the West. “Provocative attacks”. It is a military operation has a green light from the Bush doctrine for at least six years and is not a last minute decision.
As far as those conservative republicans they were divided between Giuliani, Thompson, Huckabee and Romney, anyway, anyone of them is better than Clinton or Obama. And yes security is first, look at us here, what are we going to do with our lands, houses, beaches, churches, properties, economy, if we don’t have security or freedom ( according to you they are (BS) ). Come and live here without security first.
And for Obama “. Is it politically incorrect to question Obama linkage to terrorist and a radical, anti-American, racist cleric? Is it incorrect to use Obama’s given middle name. Obama’s “robin hood” economic plan of stealing from hard-working people and giving to non-producers is scary, but for us here is acceptable because we are filthy beggars. This distribution of wealth using people tax money cleverly disguises his admiration for a famous phrase “from each according to his means, to each according to his need”, guess who said it first?
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Postby Abou Jamra » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:26 am

jieh2008 wrote:“from each according to his means, to each according to his need”, guess who said it first?


Jesus was a socialist, so it would only be natural for Marx to quote him (despite him being athiest)... well not quote but use his idea and present it as theory. Marx, engles, guevara, castro, luxemburg, chavez, lenin, obama are just doing what jesus and robin hood would do :-)

It's time to focus on those who need it most. The polls indicate that and the america public supports that. Those are normal working class people you see at rallies Jieh2008 not Obama's secret red army sent over from china and cuba.
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Postby jieh2008 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:21 pm

Scripture: Matthew 25: 14-30

For it will be as when a man going on a journey called his servants and entrusted to them his property; 15 to one he gave five talents ( a talent is equal to a thousand pieces of silver), to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them; and he made five talents more. 17 So also, he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, `Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.' 21 His master said to him, `Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.' 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, `Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.' 23 His master said to him, `Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.' 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, `Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not winnow; 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.' 26 But his master answered him, `you wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed, and gather where I have not winnowed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.' What can economics and productivity teach us about the kingdom of heaven? Jesus' story about a businessman who leaves town and entrusts his money with his workers made perfect sense to his audience. Wealthy merchants and businessmen often had to travel abroad and leave the business to others to handle while they were gone. Why did Jesus tell this story? Most importantly it tells us something about how God deals with us, his servants. The parable speaks first of the Master's trust in his servants. While he goes away he leaves them with his money to use as they think best. While there were no strings attached, this was obviously a test to see if the Master's workers would be industrious and reliable in their use of the money entrusted to them. Third, the master rewards those who are industrious and faithful and he punishes those who sit by idly and who do nothing with his money
The essence of the parable seems to lie in the servants' conception of responsibility. Each servant entrusted with the master's money was faithful up to a certain point. The servant who buried the master's money was irresponsible. One can bury seeds in the ground and expect them to become productive because they obey natural laws. Coins, however, do not obey natural laws. They obey economic laws and become productive in circulation. The master expected his servants to be productive in the use of his money. What do coins and the law of economics have to do with the kingdom of God? The Lord entrusts the subjects of his kingdom with gifts and graces and he gives his subjects the freedom to use them as they think best. With each gift and talent, God gives sufficient the means (grace and wisdom) for using them in a fitting way. As the parable of the talents shows, God abhors indifference and an attitude that says it's not worth trying. God honors those who use their talents and gifts for doing good. Those who are faithful with even a little are entrusted with more! But those who neglect or squander what God has entrusted to them will lose what they have. There is an important lesson here for us. No one can stand still for long in the Christian life. We either get more or we lose what we have. We either advance towards God or we slip back. Do you earnestly seek to serve God with the gifts, talents, and graces he has given to you? Is this distribution of wealth when Jesus said about the worthless and wicked: those who have will get more until they grow rich, while those who have not will lose even the little they have. Is this socialism to you?

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Postby Abou Jamra » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:35 pm

Did he not give fish to the hungry, cloth the poor and rectify injustices? Jesus mission was to "help the least amongst us".
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:02 am

The meek shall inherit the earth.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Postby jieh2008 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:06 am

The Bible is an anti-socialist document. Socialist propagandists for over four centuries have claimed that the Bible teaches socialism, but I have yet to see a single Bible commentary written by a socialist. If the Bible teaches socialism, where is the evidence?
When Christianity adheres to the judicial specifics of the Bible, it produces free market capitalism which produces long-term economic growth. Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If your goal is to keep poor people poor, generation after generation, you should promote socialism. But be sure to call it economic democracy in order to fool the people.
The Bible mandates free market capitalism, and I have some verses as a proof:

Genesis 1:26-28
Luke 6:38
Luke 22:25- 27
Luke 12:16-21
Acts 5:4
II Cur. 9
Matthew 6:33
Deuteronomy 28:1-14
Romans 13:8
Timothy 5:4
That is enough for now.

Any way Socialism is the system whereby two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner.

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Postby Abou Jamra » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:26 am

In most of his parables jesus talks about wealth and the distribution of wealth.

To the poor he said, "Blessed are you poor for yours is the kingdom of God" to the rich he said "Don't lay up for yourselves treasures on earth," and "go sell what you have and give to the poor." the rich and the establishment naturally rebelled against this idea and walked away from the sermon jesus later said "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, 1991

"It is true, as I have already stated, that I have been influenced by Marxist thought. But this is also true of many of the leaders of the new independent States. Such widely different persons as Gandhi, Nehru, Nkrumah, and Nasser all acknowledge this fact. We all accept the need for some form of socialism to enable our people to catch up with the advanced countries of this world and to overcome their legacy of extreme poverty"



capitalism jieh2008 is when the sheep has no say in what's for dinner. Socialism is here to protect the sheep. Jesus like obama's response to economic inequality is very direct they both ask us to share the wealth. Forgive our debtors jesus said and give to every one who asks.

No doubt jesus was a socialist and now i will take a step further and say he was also a liberal.

Jesus is cool.

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Postby jieh2008 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:44 pm

There was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector, and he was rich
Jesus made himself a friend of men, even of the tax collectors and the worst of sinners. He set a new precedent among the Jews by accepting and associating with the tax collectors. He ate with them (Mark 2:16), He offered salvation to them (Luke 19:9), and He even chose a tax collector (Matthew) as one of His twelve disciples (Matt 9:9).
Luke 18:9-14 "Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
As for Pope John Paul II why did he help change the socialist regime of his native country Poland? Was it because he has been influenced by Marxist thought? Find me a successful socialist state that guarantee the freedom, liberty, or an economic system that has proved its superiority to capitalism.
Capitalism is from the Scripture calls for private ownership….. and private rewards, and accumulation of good things tempered with the giving from those things to help other people. Scripture calls for diligent individual work that each person be fruitful, and for each soul to exercise love, mercy, and charity, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, help the poor, according to faith towards God. Don’t forget private ownership and humility is the way to serve and build.
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Postby Abou Jamra » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:16 am

Please people lets not confuse the term socialism with communism or Marxism despite both coming from a similar the school of thought.

I will attempt to answer jieh2008’s concerns and criticism of socialism.

We are debating President Obama’s comment about the “distribution of wealth”. Many governments advocate such a system “democratic socialism” it’s a system based on equality not classes at the forefront of which is human welfare. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Acts 4:34–37

Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet

Contrary to what people like McBush, Jieh2008 and Haroun think and would like you to believe, socialism is not out to kill capitalism it just seeks to regulate it so that the working class is not exploited, dehumanised, alienated and enslaved. It is not a form of legalised theft and activists and socialists are not robin hoods and fascists. They are social planners who care and who place the common good before the individual good (something that is lacking in the Jieh elites)

Now unto John Paul II

Karl Marx “Religion is the opium of the people”

Economic socialism was never attacked by John Paul II. He opposed communism yes but he embraced socialist leaders and socialist economy on an international level he asked rich countries to ‘distribute the wealth” to poorer countries. He was never, never against socialism. He always complained about the widening gap between rich and poor he denounced massive poverty and consumerism.. He appealed and lobbied for social and economic justice. But then again John Paul II reminds me of Don Quixote de la Mancha the dude always found a cause to fight for. He always had two sides on every issue.

I believe that over 90% of catholic saints were socialists, the catholic church is the largest socialist organisation (on paper not in practice lol) Jesus was the first socialist, come on jieh2008, man the guy even sacrificed himself for all of us.
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Postby Adel » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:49 am

socialism is not the absence of private property. it is the absence of margin earnt from ownership.


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
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Postby Adel » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:50 am

is everyone happy i am back.

BTW for any external parties reading this. i am not a socialist.
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:31 am

If you really think about it, everyone no matter what party they belong to is a socialist in some aspect. When it boils down to it, I doubt any one of us could live on their own in the wild. It may not seem that way, but in one way or another, people are always depending on others to help them, it's just we express it differently and emphasise different aspects of it.
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Postby jieh2008 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:55 pm

{“I don’t think I remember seeing anything in the Bible where it says that government organizations are better suited to charitable distributions.
The master does the exact opposite of socialism. Rather than taking from the ones who had been faithful and successful and giving it to the one who had less, he took away from the one who had little and gave it to the one who already had much. Huh? Say that again? It’s like reverse socialism.
Wow. There we have, in Matthew 25, the biggest argument against socialism I have ever seen. God gives to us according to what we can handle. He knows our hearts. Notice he didn’t give all the talents all at once. He started out with a little amount and then, when the servants showed that they were faithful to him with a little, he promised to give them even more responsibilities. Even more will be given to those who use well what they are given.
Nowhere in this parable does Jesus tell us to pass off this mandate onto the government.
The point is, I want to be able to spread the talents God has given me MYSELF (with His help) so I can SERVE him better. Socialism takes you and me out of the equation…and if we have Jesus living in us, doesn’t that mean it takes Jesus out of the equation as well?
Capitalism facilitates the environment that fosters jobs and wealth at a far superior rate than socialism does. Thus, whereas socialism guarantees equality of results, capitalism guarantees equality in opportunity. That opportunity and the incentive of knowing one can gain wealth helps everyone in that it cultivates an environment wherein ingenuity runs free, making lives easier and creating jobs. That, dear friend, is compassion.
To believe taking from the rich and giving to the poor is more compassionate than providing equal opportunity requires a premise I am not willing to endorse. That premise is that the less wealthy are not CAPABLE of taking care of themselves. And, by the way, I believe many who endorse the socialist policies, whether they know it or not, endorse them because they have a demeaning opinion of the less fortunate. They believe they are inherently incapable of self-reliance. And that is the premise I do not accept.
To complete the current thought, whereas Socialism believes that people are victims and demeans their abilities, capitalism believes men and women are capable of self-reliance and are able to achieve great things. Once again, capitalism seems to me to be the more compassionate.
I believe that Christ specifically commanded his servants (the CHURCH) (pope, saints, priests, nuns, brothers, deacons, private charitable organisations, me and you)(not Rome) (govermnet) and abou Jamra said: the “catholic church is the largest socialist organization “to care for the poor and indigent, I agree 100% with the catholic church (servants) and not with the GOVERNMENT. Moreover, I genuinely wonder how Biblical it is to give up the church’s responsibility to the government. I believe the church as a whole should be taking care of the widows, the naked, the poor, the impoverished and the infirmed.
The Lord Jesus is a capitalist of a very biblical kind, a practical Man who seeks profitable servants, who forgives the debts of those unable to pay who seek it of Him , who puts up guarantor for His people [with the full faith and credit of heaven and earth], and who specific in His Word just how He expects His people to manage their money. Nowhere in the New Testament or the other books of the Bible do Jesus Christ, His apostles, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, Moses or the prophets command the government to take money from its citizens and transfer it to poor people? In fact, the Bible says just the opposite.
God presents us with three general ways in the Bible to take care of the poor and needy: 1) through the family; 2) through the church; and 3) through individual charity. The applicable passages for these three ways are Deuteronomy 14:28, 29, Numbers 18:24, Matthew 6:1-4 and 1 Timothy 5:3-16
He also says they should give such charity secretly: "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
In other words, Jesus is not a socialist. Nor is he a liberal. In fact, in none of the Bible passages just cited, nor in any others I know of, does Jesus, God or even Moses cite the government as the means by which the poor, needy, widowed and orphaned are housed, clothed and fed Furthermore, the Bible condemns laziness and praises hard work. Proverbs 10:4 says, "Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." Proverbs 14:23 says, "All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty”
Christians must stop the ungodly, immoral rape of citizens with the totalitarian, socialist welfare state! They must establish a proper and godly system of family, church and private charity. Leave the government out of it.

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“from each according to his means, to each according to his need”
Claiming themselves to be at a lower stage of communism(“socialism”) in line with Marx's arguments, the Soviet Union adapted the formula as: “from each according to his ability, to each according to his work….."}”.

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