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General Aoun of Antioch and the whole Levant

Postby Abou Jamra » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:37 pm

GMA in Syria.

وبين زمانين ومسارين، يقوم العماد ميشال عون الخصم الشريف بزيارة صداقة شريفة لسوريا لينهي عهداً ويرسي بداية عهد جديد. وهذا العهد الجديد يبدأ بعد إقرار العلاقات الدبلوماسية بين البلدين وبعد زيارة المسؤولين اللبنانيين لدمشق وقبل الانتخابات النيابية غير المقحمة بحسابات الجنرال وفق ما يشرح المسؤول الإعلامي في التيار الوطني الحر الدكتور ناصيف القزي لصوت الغد. ويشير قزي إلى رسالة العماد عون المسيحية المشرقية في بعد، وإلى رسالته السياسية في التوافق والانفتاح في ظل المسار السيادي في بعد آخر. ويقول: "الجنرال ميشال عون مسيحي لبناني مشرقي النزوع مؤمن بعروبة حضارية جامعة. وفي هذا الإطار يمشي على خطى بولس الرسول الذي انطلق برسالته المسيحية من دمشق، عاصمة الأمويين في ما بعد وملتقى المسيحية والإسلام". وأمل أن يتفهم الجميع رسالة الجنرال عون الذي لا يقدم أي مصلحة شخصية أو انتخابية على بناء الصداقة بين الشعوب وبناء المستقبل الآمن والمستقر لمجتمعاتنا. وأكد قزي أن العماد عون لا يقبل أن يبني مستقبل دولة على علاقة شخصية بل يطمح أن تكون العلاقة على مستوى المؤسسات والحكم اللبناني. "أما العماد عون فمن موقعه كرجل دولة وشريك أساسي في الحكم يسهم في تفعيل المسار الإيجابي بين لبنان وسوريا".

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Postby haroun » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:57 pm

Finally the long awaited convention of killers, terrorists and idiots took place. Aounieh Aoumieh Sourieh Iranieh pray for your leader so he can find his lost identity in some of these places.

May I ask a question: what St. Paul has to do with this article? Dream on Nassif Hanna EL Azzi.

PS: now we have two Azzi's that met the Assad's rulers of the Syrian nation. Hurray! Hurray! and both meetings were for the sake of the lunatic Aoun. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! One repented, the other too slow to learn.

شمعون: حرام أن يعير احد عون أهمية لأن دواءه ليس عندنا بل في العصفورية
الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby Prince Cadmus II » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Haroun, what St Paul has to do with this article is simple. AJ wants to remove the Maronite Church from politics to get someone bigger than her, why of course, St Paul himself!
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Postby jieh2008 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:48 pm

Given our tendency to childish reactions
Judging without a bi-focal perspective is merely labeling - an easier option, involving treating someone as a outcast, terrorist, or criminal constricted in Jieh stocks, to be jeered at, ignored, or gossiped about.
Sadly, many of us claiming to promote values associated transformation, our eyes are busy checking on how our rivals are doing, or how the press views them, right or wrong to secure political points for ourselves.
Criticism which just says what’s wrong but doesn’t also set out a better way is worse than useless, which is why so much Lebanese politics has merely cheapened and down-graded political creativity to an apparent matter of personal preference.
The great damage to Nassif- caused by one of us who may write a forum review with negative wit but have not proved himself able to have any achievement.
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Postby haroun » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:16 am

Go ahead label my reaction anything you desire, childish irresponsible or whatever, the undeniable fact is that Aoun is a lunatic who has harmed Lebanon more than Yasser Arafat and solalat el Assad combined.
It’s obvious that the man hasn’t settled on a doctrine yet, and his immaturity has taken him to places like Tehran and Damascus and I wouldn’t be surprised to one day see him in Kandahar and Mogadishu.

I don’t need permission from anyone to express an opinion. Nor do I need to state my qualifications or achievements to tell the obvious. What I write comes from a heart aggrieved by what Aoun and his Bouta or shilleh have inflicted on what once was my country. Facts speak for themselves. Last of which, he and his shilleh visit a tyrant, jailer, occupier, murderer and terrorist in his home and shake his hands then sit and talk to him like everything is A OK. This the ultimate sign of immaturity and aloofness especially when this tyrant, jailer, occupier, murderer and a terrorist is the focal point of an International investigation and subject of a possible indictment for the murder of Rafik Hariri, ex prime minister of Lebanon and other prominent Lebanese.

In case you’re thinking otherwise, I don’t write to score political points or to offer an alternative course for the lost Aounieh. That is not my job. However if anyone is looking for better alternatives, they are abundant and much more rewarding.

شمعون: حرام أن يعير احد عون أهمية لأن دواءه ليس عندنا بل في العصفورية
الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby jieh2008 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:22 am

These ridiculous accusations are symptomatic of a belief that we have the upper hands in truth and history and we can write what we want, to show that something is wrong or false, just to ruin someone. You are forgetting the murderer and the terrorist who destroy our beloved Jieh and the “Bouta or shilleh that visited his home and shake his hands then sit and talk to him like everything is A OK”
You have often made similar accusations against those who criticize or stand in the way of what you believe. It is very disturbing to make false and dangerous accusations against Nassif Blinded by, “fanaticism,” and “dogmatism.”
I know and you know he does not hurt a fly. I have never heard or seen that Nassif have been in a single fight. If you want to make a political point, at least make it believable.
Finally, you have all my respect and support for what you want to write, but please write it with meaningful points so you don’t have to shoot (a’shwaii).
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Postby haroun » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:39 am

jieh2008 wrote:These ridiculous accusations are symptomatic of a belief that we have the upper hands in truth and history and we can write what we want, to show that something is wrong or false, just to ruin someone. You are forgetting the murderer and the terrorist who destroy our beloved Jieh and the “Bouta or shilleh that visited his home and shake his hands then sit and talk to him like everything is A OK”
You have often made similar accusations against those who criticize or stand in the way of what you believe. It is very disturbing to make false and dangerous accusations against Nassif Blinded by, “fanaticism,” and “dogmatism.”
I know and you know he does not hurt a fly. I have never heard or seen that Nassif have been in a single fight. If you want to make a political point, at least make it believable.
Finally, you have all my respect and support for what you want to write, but please write it with meaningful points so you don’t have to shoot (a’shwaii).


Aren't those ridiculous accusations of your own? I assure you that no specialist had diagnosed me with the disease you’re describing.

I am forgetting the murderers and terrorists who destroyed our beloved Jieh as much as you’re forgetting the suffering Jieh and all Lebanon endured under the Syrians occupation which they topped by killing Rafik Hariri. I am forgetting those who burned Jieh as much as you’re forgetting the Ilgha war and how a trusted general used the resources of the state to go after his political enemies, and forgetting the numerous soldiers sacrificed to satisfy his ego. May I remind you that in the years of the civil war, this general has caused the most death and destruction of any other leader!. What so puzzling is, how peaceful and loving individuals support such a man and people who survive on terrorizing others like Hizballah, the Syrian and the Iranian regimes?

You wrote: “I often made similar accusations against those who criticize or stand in the way of what you believe. It is very disturbing to make false and dangerous accusations against Nassif Blinded by, “fanaticism,” and “dogmatism.””

I did? Bad Haroun what were you thinking? I apologize. I didn’t realize my so called “accusations” were more dangerous and meaningless than what you read page after page after page in this link:
http://www.jiehonline.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=452

By the way, when you say dangerous, dangerous to whom?

شمعون: حرام أن يعير احد عون أهمية لأن دواءه ليس عندنا بل في العصفورية
الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby haroun » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:50 am

I know and you know he does not hurt a fly. I have never heard or seen that Nassif have been in a single fight. If you want to make a political point, at least make it believable.


ننقل هذا الخبر كما ورد حرفيا في جريدة "الاخبار


كأنّما لتأكيد ما كتبه الزميل ثائر غندور في تغطيته لفصول زيارة الجنرال لدمشق في عدد الأربعاء، حين قال: "في الثالث من كانون الأول كرّست زيارة الجنرال لدمشق زعيماً مشرقياً يحرس المقاومة، رغم أن بعض من يحيط به لم يستطع بعد أن يفهم هذا التحوّل، ولا يزال يصرّ على تقزيمه"، فجاء تصرف المسؤول الإعلامي ناصيف قزي تجاه الزميل ثائر غندور أقل ما يقال فيه إنه لا يليق بأشخاص ربطوا أنفسهم بتيار "إصلاح وتغيير".

وحرص قزي على إبلاغ زميلنا غندور بانزعاجه الشديد مما كتبته "الأخبار" في عدد الأربعاء تحت عنوان "صحافيون أصدقاء"، علماً بأن قزي أخفى برنامج نشاطات الجنرال عن رفيقنا، رغم توزيعه على جميع الصحافيين، وصولاً إلى قول قزي أمام عدد من أعضاء الوفد لثائر غندور: "حسابنا ليس الآن، فأنا لديّ زيارة (عون إلى سوريا) أريد إنجاحها، ولكن حينما نعود إلى بيروت فستدفعون الثمن غالياً".

وعند اعتراض الزميل على التهديد الذي يحمله كلام قزي، أضاف الأخير أن المشكلة ليست مع غندور، بل مع جريدة "الأخبار" التي ستدفع الثمن، مصرّاً على رفع صوته ليسمعه كل النواب من ضيوف دمشق المرافقين للجنرال.

لم ينسَ غندور أن يبلغ قزي أن كلامه يمسّه مباشرة بصفته يمثل "الأخبار"، وتقدّم بعض النواب من وفد الزيارة من الزميل بالاعتذار نيابة عن قزي، وطلبوا إليه مواصلة الزيارة بعدما كان يهمّ بمغادرة الوفد والعودة إلى مكاتب الجريدة في بيروت.

وفي هذه المناسبة تؤكد "الأخبار" لقرائها ومن يعنيهم الأمر أن مواقف الجنرال عون هي ما يحكم العلاقة بيننا وبينه وبين التيار الوطني الحر، بغضّ النظر عن حسابات صغيرة لدى من لم يفهموا لبّ الصراع في لبنان، وعمق مصالح اللبنانيين وتطلّعاتهم.

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الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby jieh2008 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:28 am

It is all too tempting in a debate to expose the inevitable double standards of the different views in the pursuit of truth. In addition, hypocrisy in all of its complexity was the most obvious in your writing and using inflammatory rhetoric to do the maximum possible damage to Nassif and his (ourta).
Your negative writing proves so hard to resist for anyone not to respond and bring it to your attention.
In addition, your forms of hypocrisy are inherently to hurt, and a mixture of (reality and) illusion. I guess the reason you keep using your nice language from your well of poison is that it is the only reliable way to get our attention. I had to say something because it would be counter-productive to tolerate hypocrisy, and to be careful in spreading unfair attacks.
Sorry Haroun, no one enjoys being played for a fool. In addition, I did not forget the Syrian, Palestinian, khaleet, Ein-Elhelweh, Saida, Taeif, the empty lots that our neighbor’s houses used to be, and Junblatt.

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Postby haroun » Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:52 pm

First I like to make a correction to your post, I did not used the term “ourta”, I used the words ”Shilleh and Bouta” and that was not referring to Nassif’ but to Aoun’s. Next, I like to ask, isn’t a bit naive to assume that Nassif’s ride to the parliament is going to be easy when so many don’t agree with his philosophy, views and approach to politics? Isn’t a bit naïve to assume that people won’t use whatever at their disposal to discredit him?

I think your dramatization in a way is as bad as my “negative” style. Your use of such words as "dangerous", "maximum damage", "poison" and "unfair attacks" gives the illusion that I am some kind of terrorist plotting 911 style. Uninformed opinions and illusions have little room in my life, what I do and say is based on analysis, data and hard facts. I admit however, that I often color my words here to match the background.

Aoun’s visits to Iran and Syria are no illusion, His meetings with the ayatollahs and Assad are no illusion, Hizballah and their weapons are no illusion, their plans for Lebanon are no illusion, Aounieh attacks on those who don’t agree with them are no illusion. As for people reading this forum and who I greatly respect, I know they are smart and well informed to fend for themselves and make up their own mind on Lebanon issues.

I often read, that it is of no use to argue with a Aouni, since there is no logic that works with them! I thought maybe that’s an exaggeration. Well, nothing unveils the truth like experiencing it first hand!

شمعون: حرام أن يعير احد عون أهمية لأن دواءه ليس عندنا بل في العصفورية
الجوزو: لقد سقط لبنان وسقطت حكوماته، بفضل إرهاب حزب الله
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Postby jieh2008 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:25 pm

What are you talking about?.
The Lebanese president did it, other Lebanese leaders did the same with the approval of the prime minister , your allies (now) used to do it all the time and I will not be surprised if they are not doing it secretly. I’m aware of the Iranian plans as much as you are aware of the wahhabis (Hariri’s) and Palestinian plans, but my point is, in your opinion what is acceptable for your allies and other (emirs) leaders is forbidden for your foes. That is hypocrisy and double standards my friend. And your t….o….z. was not directed at Aoun, it was directed at Nassif.
Ps:
what do you think about rebuilding Saint Maroun church in Barad Syria.

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Postby haroun » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:31 pm

We all shall strive for equality when it comes to appeasing Satan! It’s not enough that we have the wahhabis, Hamas and the rest we also need the Iranians and their hegemony. Great logic!

There was a time when “my friends” and especially your friends were dealing with Syria because it was the only game in town, but now what the excuse? My friends broke off that relationship long ago but your friends continue and live by the “thank you Souria” doctrine to reinforce themselves and "use" Syria against their fellow Lebanese.

Before we think about rebuilding the Moronite Church in Barad, Syria, we should work to finish our own church in Jieh.
How many Maronites are in Barad anyway? Isn’t Barad to Halab like Jieh to Beirut where most Maronites live in Halab and come to Barad on the weekend - if there is such a thing in Syria?

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Postby jieh2008 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:46 pm

What now Haroun, do you want “hijaj” as a proof, or do except the testimonies of the nuns and monks and history, or just the ruins of the churches?. What are you getting at Haroun ? please explain because I don’t want to assume and shoot “ashwaii”.
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Postby haroun » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:58 pm

How do I know that this church in Barad is not a scheme by the 3aounieh election machine to raise convert funds for its own use? Calls for assistance to build a church should come through the proper Maronite authority set up to raise and manage the funds.

Going back to the main topic here, I found this nice article which you may enjoy by Elias Zoughbi about someone who just ended his 'haj' duties...

الحاج العائد من سوريا بدأ يطوف على أبواب المرجعيات السياسية والروحية ، من بعبدا الى مار نقولا ... الى بكركي ، لالتماس غطاء تعرّى منه قبل حجّه ، ولاستجداء براءة ذمة سفحها على قدمي " قاتل الأنبياء وراجم المرسلين اليه " . واذا كان الأصيل استنكف عن استقباله في باب توما فان السعي نحو الوكيل الجليل في بيروت ، تحت جنح الظلام ، لن يستر عريه ويقيه صقيع غربته . واذا كان مار مارون قد غرق في صمته الدهري وحزنه البليغ حين عرف حقيقة دوافع الوافدين اليه ، فان خليفة مار يوحنا مارون على كرسي أنطاكية وسائر المشرق أطلق كلمة الحق وصرخة الغضب المقدّس كي يعيد الخراف الضالة ( الخراف ؟ ) الى بيت الجماعة وحظيرة الامة .

ولكن المسيحيين مصدومون أمام خمسة نماذج مخجلة طارئة عليهم اقتحمت ماضيهم وحاضرهم وثقافتهم ، وتندى لها جباههم ، ويخشون منها على مستقبلهم :

زعيم سياسي يحشر اسمه في لائحة القدّيسين من بولس الى مارون الى يوحنا بولس الثاني ، وربما لاحقا ، وبعد التواضع من مستوى الكون والعالم والشرق الى مستوى لبنان ، مع شربل ورفقا والحرديني والكبوشي ...

وزير سابق يضرب بسيف سيده أعناق المسيحيين ، ويجلد بني قومه بسوط " المسيحية المشرقية " لمنحهم " شرف " توظيف الكنيسة في خدمة السلطان ، واكتسابهم " نعمة " الحماية والأمان على أرواحهم وأموالهم .

نائب " متمورن " حديثا جاءته الدعوة الطوباوية متأخرة ، تولّى توزيع الهدايا الحمصية مباشرة على الهواء بتقوى وخشوع ، مغلّفات تحتوي على " ذخائر مارعون " كاد موزّعها يرشح زيتا .

صحافي سخّر " عقيدته " المسيحية في خدمة الطوطم ، بوجهه اللبناني وقفاه السوري ، وارتقى الى " رتبة " مروّج تقارير مخابرات ، في حالة اسخريوطية " مودرن " تهزأ من تواضع الثلاثين من الفضة .


استاذ جامعي – ابتدائي يتخبّط في خطاب وعظي انشائي ، سار وراء معلّمه في شوارع دمشق على خطى مار بولس" مع الجموع بخشوع وذرف الدموع " ... وكم أنتم مساكين يا طلاّب الكلية – الخلية !


انها نماذج من يومياتنا السياسية والاجتماعية والثقافية المتهالكة التي تصفع العقل والوجدان ، ولا نصدّق أن المسيحية باتت قاحلة ماحلة فلم تعد تلد الكبار ، بل هي عوارض عابرة تصيب الأجسام السليمة ، وسرعان ما يزول العرض ويبقى الجوهر .

وفي ما يعبّر بصدق عن التعاظم والعملقة المزيّفة في النموذج الاول طرفة بليغة من تاريخنا الحديث : في أواخر الأربعينات من القرن الفائت دعي رئيس الجمهورية الشيخ بشارة الخوري الى تدشين دير الصليب ، وقرّرت الرهبنة استقباله استقبالا حاشدا ووضعت بعض مرضى الدير في عداد المستقبلين . ولما وصل موكبه تقدّم أحد المرضى بسرعة وسأل الرئيس : من أنت ؟! فأجابه الشيخ بشارة : انا رئيس الجمهورية . فضحك المريض وصاح متفاخرا : أدخل ، أدخل...أنا دخلت قبلك الى هنا ، نابليون !!
وسلام على من عرف حدّه فوقف عنده .

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Postby Abou Jamra » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:52 pm

haroun wrote:How do I know that this church in Barad is not a scheme by the 3aounieh election machine to raise convert funds for its own use? Calls for assistance to build a church should come through the proper Maronite authority set up to raise and manage the funds."


FPM leads and the rest follow. Maronite authorities have neglected this issue, the church and its parishners for centuries. GMA has resurected Saint Maroun and the maronite church.

As Nabih Berri said "GMA went to syria a General and he came back as Pope"

Where is the maronite authority in raising funds for the our lady of the morning star church and St George church in Jieh?

LF moto is "bada tdal jrasna tde2" yes but across the whole middle east not just in moukhtara.


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