tammy wrote:They are harming you but u cant see it because 3andak nes bi jnoub protecting you if hizib were not there believe me beruit ma betshofowa and if u tell me you can get your land and hostages peacefully through the UN am sorry but i will not be able to call you anything but and idiot because you saw wat the UN did in the war and dont start telling me who started the war and this crap you saw with your own eyes that isreal attacked all lebanon and all the lebanese blocked all the roads so it wasnt an attack ony on hiziballa!!!JUST TRY TO LOOK BEYOND YOU NOSE IT MIGHT HELP!
Tammy I respect your opinion here but there is absolutely no need for you to be angry on this forum. I know there are many people on here who wish to vent their anger on everybody else, but please try and use just less offensive tone here.
The whole idea of this place is to exchange ideas and not usurp other people's opinions and trumping them as nonsense.
When I read international politics, I look at everything at a whole. I am not denying that Hezbollah put up a big fight and saved alot here. The fact is there are many hezbollah fighters who were originally Amal in those days, and there are plenty of them as well who even fought on the side of the SLA!! In those terrible times of war, people do anything to put food on the table for their families, their children. Do you think anybody cares about ideology?
Be reasonable here. If you don't pick a fight with somebody, they do not out of nowhere attack you. It takes two to tango here. Israel knew Hezbollah will throw the first punch, and they had calculated this and prepared for that scenario.
The Arabs continually make this mistake over and over again with Israel for over 60 years now. Israel provokes with something on the side, the Arabs then fight them with violence, and Israel (now acting in the defensive side) fights back with extreme force and destroys everything in its path.
So tell me now who is at fault? According to the Geneva Conventions of War, Israel is defending itself because Hezbollah crossed into Israeli territory first for no reason and killed and ambushed Israeli soldiers. If it was meant to be protecting Lebanon, why then was it really acting to redirect war in Gaza to ease the suffering of the Gazans by making the Lebanese suffer instead? Is Gaza in Lebanon? I don't think it is.
Okay so the legal battle here is, Israel immediately saw it as the green light because according to these conventions, they will not be tried for crimes because they fell under this law which is justifiable and consistent among many nations in the world. Can you imagine Israeli guerrillas ambushing an Iranian border guard and killing a few others? Do you think Iran will sit by and take that and be humiliated? DO you think they will have a picnic and a laugh about this? No, because the Geneva Conventions allow them to defend their nation by whatever is necessary, and Israel did that by crippling Hezbollah areas, and then crippling the government infrastructure for not doing anything about the Hezbollah group. It is all tied to that original catalyst that Hezbollah threw the first punch. I was in Beirut at the time watching Hezbollah supporters handing out sweets and chocolates in a ghoulish festival of joy at the deaths and ambushes of Israeli soldiers. I personally did not care, but you have to just understand the climate here. People celebrating death by murder is not a normal thing to be having fun over in the rest of the world. If you wish to bring your country back to jungle law, then you have to fend for yourself, so its a call that only each person can make for themselves.
You have to put your hatred of Israel aside and look at this problem from an impartial point of view. Think of Syria for instance. Syria has never really used any viable military force against Israel, yet it has no peace treaty like Jordon or Egypt does, and in return, Israel does not invade Syria. Syria has no resistance group fighting from its land. In fact I doubt any group such as Hezbollah will even be allowed to fight from Syrian soil.
My point here is that Israel fights, but to take a capital like Beirut is something even the free thinking world can not allow. Israel in its wars always has to maintain their international status and justify legally all their actions. Of course smaller things pass by unchecked, but when you look at this in retrospect, Israel wouldnt do things without being legally justifiable. When Israel invaded Beirut in 82, they did not last for long there and pulled back to the buffer zone in the south for the remaining period.
Do you see what I'm speaking about? Hezbollah was not there at that time to pull them out of Beirut! They pulled out because of their own tactical decisions because they have to balance war with international war and justification. Hezbollah does not have to do this therefore it is much easier for Hezbollah to maneouvre on this because they are defending. When Israel attacked in 2006, they warned all areas to be cleared well in advance of any attack. They also bombarded in times of minimal road traffic. They did this to minimise civilian losses. Can you imagine the civilian losses that would have occurred if they were doing most of their bombardments during the day? All this was calculated beforehand.
Now the question you have to ask yourself is this. Does Hezbollah have an onus of duty to keep the peace? Or are they allowed to spark a war they know Israel will fight and then pretend to defend the country by launching barrages of unguided missiles over the border; some landing in the sea, others landing in forests etc... some landing on Palestinian Arab children in Nazareth.... Do you regard this as real defence? Unguided missiles firing at phantom targets? Sure if someone is in your backyard, yes, attack them in defence, and Hezbollah did a lot of that, but it doesn't mean it is free from responsibility. It's like a doctor giving a disease to a patient on purpose, and then coming to their aid offering to heal them and putting the blame on someone else, it's deceptive.
So don't go pretending that futile practices of war were really defensive measures because that was a means to an end and not an end in itself!
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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These were the first great founders of the world
Founders of cities and of mighty states"